Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/14/2001 08:04 AM House EDU

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HB 43 - STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced  the first order of business  as HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  43, "An  Act relating  to reimbursement  of certain  student                                                               
loans; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0173                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN JARDELL,  Staff to Representative  Joe Green,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  came forward  on  behalf  of Representative  Green,                                                               
sponsor, to present changes in HB  43.  He said the basic concept                                                               
has  not  changed;  there  have been  some  clarifications.    He                                                               
referred to  page 1, lines  8-9, which mentions  an undergraduate                                                               
degree.   He stated that  many of  the universities in  the state                                                               
are  encouraging people  with  other degrees  to  get a  master's                                                               
degree.  This  makes it clear that the bill  applies to all those                                                               
situations  where the  person is  taking coursework  in order  to                                                               
obtain a  teaching certificate and  endorsement, and in  order to                                                               
teach in a geographically underserved  area or subject area where                                                               
there is a shortage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JARDELL  referred  to  an   additional  change  on  page  2,                                                               
beginning at  line 17.   This clarifies  when someone had  to pay                                                               
and how it  would be paid out.   He said this  wasn't spelled out                                                               
in  the  last  version.    It now  is  clear  that  when  persons                                                               
graduate,  they are  obligated to  begin payment  on their  loans                                                               
under the terms  of their loan agreement with  the Alaska Student                                                               
Loan  Corporation (ASLC).   Once  students are  eligible for  the                                                               
program they are hired as a teacher  in one of these areas and at                                                               
that point  it would be the  balance of their loan  that would be                                                               
subject to  the forgiveness.  If  they did in fact  pay for three                                                               
or  four  years  before  they  were hired  or  eligible  for  the                                                               
program, they would not be getting a check back in cash.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JARDELL posed  the question:   If  people default,  are they                                                               
still eligible  at the  default rate?   On page  1, line  12, the                                                               
borrower must  comply with AS 14.43.120.   If the borrower  is in                                                               
default,  he/she is  not  complying with  that  provision and  so                                                               
would not be eligible for the loan forgiveness program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0373                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  made  a   motion  to  adopt  the  proposed                                                               
committee substitute  (CS) for HB 43,  version 22-LSO225\P, Ford,                                                               
2/13/01, as  a work  draft.  There  being no  objection, proposed                                                               
CSHB 43 was before the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated he did not  see an appropriation and asked Mr.                                                               
Jardell if  the money would come  from the student loan  money or                                                               
the GF [general fund].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JARDELL  answered that the  only way that this  program would                                                               
be funded  is through GF.   This is made  clear on page  2, lines                                                               
23-26,  which   states:    "subject   to  appropriation   by  the                                                               
legislature".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated for the record  he wanted to see that that was                                                               
there.   The committee  had expressed  some concern  before about                                                               
spending the appropriations money.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0476                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DIANE   BARRANS,  Executive   Director,   Alaska  Commission   on                                                               
Postsecondary  Education  (ACPE),  Department  of  Education  and                                                               
Early  Development  (EED), presented  a  draft  fiscal note.  The                                                               
range  of annual  cost in  year one,  which would  be year  2003,                                                               
would be  an estimated cost of  $85 thousand.  By  the fifth year                                                               
of the program the estimated costs would be $424,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that  somebody had  brought to  his attention                                                               
that, apparently,  the IRS  [Internal Revenue  Service] considers                                                               
this forgiveness taxable income.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS answered  that canceled  debt is  considered taxable                                                               
income; however, there  are some provisions provided  in tax law.                                                               
One of  those provisions, specific  to student loans, is  that if                                                               
the debt  is canceled as  a result of  an agreement to  a certain                                                               
service, then it is excludable.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0579                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  noted that  he has  had a  number of  inquiries from                                                               
people who are already in the  process of repayment of their debt                                                               
or  have paid  their  debt and  would like  to  fall under  these                                                               
provisions.   He asked if the  loans are no longer  funded out of                                                               
the general fund, whether that  makes each year's loan a separate                                                               
contract.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS stated that was correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated,  "I have used 'astronomical'  to describe the                                                               
cost of  this if we were  to go back for  as long as we  have had                                                               
student loans.   Retrospectively, would I be out  of the ballpark                                                               
if using those terms?"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS answered  that  the cost  would  be several  million                                                               
dollars per year.   The total that the state  and the corporation                                                               
forgave during the years when there  was a benefit is to date $74                                                               
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked if that portion  of the student loan program is                                                               
smaller than the current portion, the non-forgiveness.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS answered very much so.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0703                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  asked if  this  bill  would require  that                                                               
fiscal note  and whether it  should it  be assumed that  it would                                                               
catch up with it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  replied that he is  sure that there will  be a great                                                               
interest in  further committees of  referral on making  sure that                                                               
there is  a fiscal  note since  it does go  to the  House Finance                                                               
[Committee].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0736                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN made  a motion  to move  proposed CSHB  43,                                                               
version  22-LSO225\P,  Ford,  2/13/01, from  the  committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations  and  fiscal  note  to  be  attached.                                                               
There  being no  objection,  CSHB 43(EDU)  moved  from the  House                                                               
Special Committee on Education.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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